The Downing Street state pension robbery

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I wonder if Mr Plod has a good sense of humour. It is a good photoshop. Pic Credit: Paul Downes @CallmeDownsie

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The mantra  that we cannot afford to pay the 3.9 million  50s women   their pensions until they are 65 and soon 66 is based on the premise that there is no money in the National Insurance Fund. The big question is why?

I have already in a previous report for #Backto60  shown that the accounts of the National Insurance Fund are in fact in surplus. But detractors point out that they soon won’t be if the government hands back £77 billion owed to the women.

But what if we have reached  this situation because the government has raided a fund  which is 91 per cent spent on pensions for other benefits. And what if the Treasury deliberately decided to  undermine the fund by avoiding paying any money into it?

This is what I have found out by investigating the history of this fund.

The original fund was set up in 1911 by Lloyd George and did not cover pensions – but helped pay  medical bills for wage earners and provided  unemployment benefit for  some workers. Employers and employees had to make compulsory contributions.

Pensions were introduced for those over 70  in 1908 and were means tested and supervised by local councillors. People could be disqualified from getting a pension if they had been imprisoned for ten years, weren’t of good character and were drunkards. The money came from general taxation. There is a House of Commons library report about the act here.

The real major changes came under the Attlee government which set up the welfare state. The National Insurance Act, 1946 introduced compulsory NI for all working people except married women. It set the pension age at 60 for women and 65 for men. Pensions, unemployment benefit, sickness benefit and a maternity allowance and death grant were paid out of it. There is a useful summary in the National Archives here. But it was run as a ” pay as you go ” scheme with money topped by the Treasury.

It is the attack on these provisions which began under the Thatcher government in the 1980s that has led to the 50s women losing out.

An excellent report by the House of Commons library describes what happened. It is worth quoting parts in full.

“In each year from 1948 to 1989, the National Insurance Fund received a grant from the
Treasury, known as the Treasury (or Consolidated Fund) Supplement. The origins of the
Supplement lay in the Beveridge Report, which envisaged a tripartite scheme of contributions to the Fund, whereby the Treasury would pay one third of the cost of unemployment benefits and one sixth of the cost of pensions and other benefits. In practice, the level of the Supplement tended to be around 18% of contribution income, a level at which it was fixed by the Social Security Act 1973.

“From 1980, the value of the Supplement began to decline, reflecting partly the growing level of contribution income and partly the constraining of spending on benefits by the abolition of earnings linking of the pension and other long-term benefits and earnings-related supplements to unemployment benefit. By 1988 the Fund’s contribution income exceeded its benefit expenditure, leading to a steady growth in the balance of the Fund (from £5.3bn in April 1986 to £10.4bn in April 1989 ).

In this context, the then Secretary of State for Social Security, John Moore, stated in 1989 that:

“The tripartite principle is already effectively a dead letter. The rationale behind it has
gone, and the Supplement has been shrinking steadily as a proportion of the Fund’s
income from about one-third in 1948. It now stands at only 5%. We consider that there
is now no need for it all. The £26bn of expenditure from the Fund is fully covered by
contributory income and the abolition of the Supplement will have absolutely no effect
on that expenditure”
“The Supplement was abolished by the Social Security Act 1989.”

It was a disaster – the fund which then  had  big surplus – went heading into the red – as it was now being raided for the full cost of unemployment and sickness benefit at a time of high unemployment.

So in 1993 the Major government had to partly retract by reintroducing a Treasury supplement because money in the fund had fallen by a staggering 50 per cent  due  to benefit pay outs as well as pensions. Pensioners were robbed.

But  the government fixed the rules so it was much less generous than the  system they bequeathed from Attlee. As the report says :

“There are a number of differences between the Treasury Grant and the Treasury
Supplement. First, the levels of Treasury Grant are set by reference to benefit expenditure rather than to contribution income. Second, and more significantly, whereas the Treasury Supplement was paid annually, irrespective of whether it was actually needed to finance a particular year’s expenditure, the Treasury Grant is paid at the discretion of the Secretary of State.

“The amount of Grant paid to the Fund was limited to a maximum of 20% of forecast
benefit expenditure in 1993-94, and to a maximum of 17% of forecast benefit expenditure in subsequent years.”

The truth of the matter is that the rules were skewed so the Treasury never had to pay out any money.  From 1989 to 2014 if the Treasury had returned to its original support  under  the Major, Blair and Brown governments, the Tory Liberal coalition and Cameron’s government, billions of pounds would be available now to help pay the 50s women. Instead as we know successive governments ruthlessly decided to solve the problem by raising the pension age.

In top of this the government also amended the benefits that would be paid out from the fund – including some new benefits like paternity benefit for example.

Anyone who believes the changes that happened – both the removal of Treasury contribution to the fund and the subsequent rise in the pension age – was a happy coincidence is deluding themselves. You can see here  in an article in the Daily Express what  George Osborne, the former chancellor, told investors at the Global Investment conference in 2013. Scroll down to the video

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George Osborne speaking at the 2013 Global Investment Conference

He said: “Tackling entitlement costs and the cost of an ageing society is a real challenge for Western democratic societies and in the UK we’ve brought forward the increase in pension age to 66 in this decade; we’ve brought forward the increase to 67 in the next decade and actually because of some reform taken some years ago the female pension age is increasing to 65 as we speak.”

“These changes, when you’re a finance minister, the savings dwarf almost everything else you do.

“They are absolutely enormous savings and they enable you to go on providing a decent retirement income. So you’re not necessarily reducing the entitlement of people who are retired you’re just increasing the age when that entitlement kicks in. ”

“Of course when these were first put into practice these pensions systems life expectations was dramatically less.

“I’ve found it one of the less controversial things we’ve done and probably saved more money than anything else we’ve done.”

Need I say more. The UK has one of the lowest and least generous state pension in the developed world and it has been bought about by making huge savings against 50s women.

 

136 thoughts on “The Downing Street state pension robbery

  1. They need to pay the money they owe now. Before money is wasted on a legal battle defending their position albeit without any chance of winning.

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    • Totally agree, I think this government should be charged with embezzlement as that money is being stolen from 50’s women, old age pension is not a benefit it’s been paid over working lives, in any other situation people would be incarcerated for doing what they have done!!

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      • Some men being hit by a double whammy meaning their wives are affected to and they are frozen pensioners. WHAT ABOUT THGE FROZEN PENSIONERS AFTER ALL OVER 70 YEARS OF DISCRIMINATION AND POVERTY??????

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    • I have given this country 45 years of service so far. I am doing a job that I no longer can but the Government is forcing me to do this job – working with Mental Health AND the Elderly with advanced Dementia. I do all kind of shift pattern, night duty including. For my age, am just a vulnerable as the people I give care and support. So, how can the vulnerable look after the vulnerable. I wrote to my MP a few years ago about this but nothing was done about it, He is now the Mayor of London and nobody cares. The Government is abusing me and many 1950s women like myself by forcing me to do a job that no longer can. Mrs May is around same age as me, can she do what I do for a living? Can she do the job that I do and Night duty? I am very puzzled as to how Nobody in a position that can support us – 50s women to take the Government to Court and the government need to be made to pay for the legal cost. This is the only Action that is left to be taken. We all know that we have been Robbed but what can be done about it, sure if I committed a crime of robbery, I will be punished according to the Law. Is it not a breach / robbery what the Government is doing to us – 50s women? We want our Pension Now and back dated from when we were 60 years old. We do not want No less, No more, just what is ours. None of my business if pension increased BUT must Not apply to us, we have done our years and time to pay back what we have put in. I am very depressed day by day and making me ill. # Waspi

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      • It is a shocking state of affairs i was born 1954 and live alone and i am on Universal Credit. My God what kind of monsters are these people women in their 50s still working hard are on their knees.

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  2. Cannot believe what has happened to our country, people that work get sod all. I’ve worked since being 15, was the last that year to leave before it went up. Nobody has thought about the jobs we all do different to sitting on backsides all down.There’s enough money in the pot for members of Parliament to retire but not us. This would not happen in another country. I have got to work another 6 years. Disgusted in this country nobody high up cares has long has they are filling their pockets. I’m not in good health but hey ho if I drop tomorrow my pension can go to some other money making racket.

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  3. Thank you for your report 😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡😡I’m lost for words .

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  4. This is disgusting why should we have to pay for their mistakes.Women who lose their other job,do we starve. Can’t sign on as we get told we have enough stamps on. We need our money, we worked hard for that. We paid in, you pay out. It’s our entitlement some very good friends of mine have not lived long enough to get theirs. l’m sick to the back teeth with this government whoever gets in next time none of them are going to do nothing for the women of the 50s. l can’t see any of us getting anything. The money has been spent.

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  5. Thieving swines.but they’ve got money for their own to retire on thousands a week and a huge lump sum.ive paid 43 years of full national insurance stamps and need OUR DUES back NOW..I’ve joined one voice and donated several times in the hope they’ll listen..the heartless muppets should do what they promised.60 for woman’s retirement and get it back asap.

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  6. Disgusting, us women are being robbed by this government and they know it. They would rather see us dead before we receive what is ours. If this had been on the other foot they would be looking at fraud. i know I won’t see old bones and I would like my pension now. Shame on you, as the saying your all right Jack you won’t have to worry.

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  7. This is disgusting, I want my money back !!! I am 62 and after 15 yrs of caring for our LAC ( looked after children) have to restrain them to keep them and others safe. I still go to work but in constant pain, put my other staff member at risk because i’m a lot slower, struggle to hold them which puts the child at risk. This is just not fair x

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  8. OMG…I’m 63…working full time & also trying to look after my mother who is 86 & very poorly herself…I like many other women have my own ailments I’m asthmatic & COPD (non smoker never have.. )I also have Osteo Arthritis in my hands. I would like to hear that the government would also work till they are our age to see how it affects them.,.George
    Osborne in that statement spoke like he was doing us a favour by putting the age up to 66 & we would so much better off…bloody nerve of the man. Angry isn’t the word. Thank you backto60 for all you are doing for us.

    haveOsteo

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  9. OMG…I’m 63…working full time & also trying to look after my mother who is 86 & very poorly herself…I like many other women have my own ailments I’m asthmatic & COPD (non smoker never have.. )I also have Osteo Arthritis in my hands. I would like to hear that the government would also work till they are our age to see how it affects them.,.George
    Osborne in that statement spoke like he was doing us a favour by putting the age up to 66 & we would so much better off…bloody nerve of the man. Angry isn’t the word. Thank you backto60 for all you are doing for us.

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    • I have just lost my husband they have not only took our pensions but our widows benefit so i have to carry on working because i dont get state psnsion till i am sixty six worked all my life so as my husband and we have received nothing from the money we have put in . Most of us will never be around to get our pensions this is theft from the working class x

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    • They say people are living longer ,so many friends have died before reaching a pension. My self and the majority are in pain with arthritis joint pains .

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  10. Thank you so much, David, for this detailed expose` of our State Pensions theft. Our govt’s have repeatedly treated women in most despicable way but no more! We will keep on fighting until ALL 1950’s born women receive justice. Now we have Michael Mansfield QC fighting the good fight on our behalf & we will win.

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  11. Does the restriction of pension rights for anyone who has been imprisoned for ten years, is not of good character, or is a drunkard, still apply?
    Asking for a friend.
    Cheers. Vernon.

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  12. Women seen has easy targets. Always Been used as cash cows from being robbed of our SP employed in low wage service jobs to being unpaid carers Never had chance to build up pension pots Never had still haven’t got equality.
    Thank you David for publishing this article to highlight how Governments have ripped off our pension fund.

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  13. The thieving powers that be past and present all have enormous pension pots paid by us makes me sick to my gut I am 64yrs old and widowed at 60yrs my poor husband died at 62yrs old never saw his pension age but hay ho lots of immigrants got here’s a house money prisoners got money just because they had to slosh out some piss we the people who put the money into the system get hee haw 😲

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  14. There are people who have never worked in their lifes and are better off than me and my husband who have worked all our lives and are now aged 60 and cannot imagine what it will be like if we have to rely on our pension. I will have to work until. 66 and maybe further if subsequent Governments change the age again, are they hoping we die off before they have to give us our pension? It certainly seems like that.

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  15. Need to share and share this, this government will be alright they can get pension when they want and money for Life!
    Thanks for this post !

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  16. Does any1 think that we will ever get are money and be able to retire at 60, im 61 working full time in the care secter, and have worked since leaving school at nearly 15, i just want what i and thousands of other women want the right to retire now and get my bloody pension

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  17. Women’s fight for equality sees them succeed in getting equal pension age – hoorah! But not equal pension entitlements, in many cases, because of years spent raising children and / or looking after family members. So any private or contributory pension a woman might have will also be lower. Disadvantaged at birth! I won’t get a full state pension, but I have still lost around £35k by the raising of the age to 65. There are many women in far worse situations than mine. I am selfemployed and very busy! But long to slow down 😞

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  18. Well its a relief to know that the fight continues but Waspi still needs more publicity and media support! It will take a change of government before we see any real hope !
    The tories have taken advantage of the financial crash and used it to pursue austerity and capitilist policies and raided public bodies . Trickle down economics is a lie . The government and right wing media barons like george osbourne have
    abused their powers . Our main grievance is that we did not receive adequate notice and surely that has to be fought in a court of law

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  20. Of course , along with this pension age lottery for women there is the Frozen pension issue which could also affect them by denying any indexation based on where one lives. A stupid unnecessary section 20 in the Pension Act calls for a reciprocal agreement with the country of residence of the retiree when no such agreement is required as this is purely a domestic policy which does not require any foreign government to ‘allow’ it ? Then we have this abuse of an Act of Parliament to impose a fraudulent method of denying people their qualified pension uprating. No private insurer could legally do this.

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  21. A very interesting article showing further evidence of the lying, deceitful, corrupt nature of nearly every Tory Government since the 50s

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  22. An unambiguous a case of complete mismanagement of contributory income by Government and for Government. The original premise of the fund was to gauge what pension payments would be necessary at any given time based of birth/death rates, date of entry into employment, duration of employment etc. To gain such a massive surplus between 1986 and 1989, almost doubling, would have been in no small part to many ‘boomers’ reaching their peak earning power and thus their contributions. For government to then decide, at this time, to reduce or withdraw the Treasury supplement was nonsensical and shortsighted as they should have been more than aware that due to lowered birthrates, women working full time and various other social changes there would inevitably be a decreasing workforce and thus lesser contributions to fulfill the obligations of the ‘pay-as-you-go’ pensions of previous contributors. I find it difficult to believe that this was ‘just’ a cockup with untold numbers of civil servants and statisticians available to Government to make reasonable assumptions, projections and assessments of the effects of cultural and societal shifts and know what the Treasury would need to provide to maintain the necessary equilibrium of the fund. It could be argued that the reduction of National Insurance Contributions by £3 per week to every UK employee in 1989 may have been funded by the Treasury supplement previously earmarked for pensions.🤔🤔🤔 In 1989 the economy was beginning to tank, interest rates were at 14% and there was a leadership challenge to Thatcher, thus an extra £3 every week to spend would have helped soften the economic down turn whilst keep the prevailing political bandwagon on the rails for a little longer, in fact until 1997, another 8 years. The ‘generational’ unfairness sophistry we hear so much about is exposed in all it’s ugliness by living through the those times and a.bit of research. Throughout our lives, there is, evidentially, a set of fairly consistent parameters such as entering the workforce at 15/16 or 18 for most of the population and 60/65 for retirement. Approximately 5% of young people went to university compared to a figure closer to 50% now. A large proportion of today’s graduates further delay entering the work place by continued study with Masters and/ or Ph.d, further delaying making NI conts until mid to late 20s. This one aspect of social engineering instigated by Blair et al and continued by every Government since, must have massive effects on the Contributions ‘pot’. Coupled with the ‘zombie/gig economy’, zero hour contracts to name but two, the population of the UK is in deep, deep trouble The population has increased by 8.5 million between 1989 and today, mostly fuelled by immigration and, as immigrants in general, work for lesser wages and thus lower contributions, there will be an even bigger population very soon who cannot be provided for or looked after in older life.

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      • No, thanks very much to you, David, for your continued support. My long response was actually truncated, as there are many other relevant tangents to the background analysis. I love to read and research, to try to make sense of and understand the utter chaos that has seemingly engulfed the Western world. Sadly, I now rarely listen to or watch MSM even my beloved Radio 4, as ‘group think’ and propaganda has replaced journalism and pursuit of the truth, no matter how unpalatable.

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  23. These changes are a Human Rights issue as 50’s women have been victimised & targeted due to there vulnerability & clearly lack of notification regarding this huge financial loss which is having a massive affect on women. We are a generation of women who worked & had children, who are also working now, alongside their mothers who are still contributing to this country.

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  24. These changes are a Human Rights issue as 50’s women have been victimised & targeted due to there vulnerability & clearly lack of notification regarding this huge financial loss which is having a massive affect on women. We are a generation of women who worked & had children, who are also working now, alongside their mothers who are still contributing to this country.

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  25. This is a great article and I cannot believe that the government can justify the way they have cheated us out of our pensions, they had the cheek to say to me that even those who have health problems are being looked after, under the new rules for pip I saw my money cut, am I trying to work for myself without support or help from the so called working links, then lost my tax credits, then say my private pension collapse with no money and they waited years to tell me this to. next the will be sending us to the poor house, I worked from 16yrs old and paid in all those years just to be ripped off.

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  26. Thank you David. I’m 64 worked for 49 years and still working till my SPA Nov 2019. I will have over 50 years NIC. I have raised two children, put them through Uni, they are now both teachers. Cared for my beautiful mum till she died in 2016 aged 96. My husband had to work another 3.5 years till he could go on no longer, he is 69 this year and our plan was always to retire at 60/65. I’m the one having to carry on as I can’t afford to retire unless I get my SP , were is equality in that? I’m angry beyond words and not in good health. I feel I will never reach my SPA and my family will never ever forgive or forget what they have done to me and millions of others😢😡

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  27. Shocking theft of women’s pensions. To steal away monies without adequate notice , even tho myself and over 3 million had paid in to a pension system as our part of the ‘contract ‘ for 40 years, only to be denied a payout 2/3 years before it payout time is theft by no other name !

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  28. Is there an overview anywhere of what actions are being taken by all Waspi groups across the country……..its easy to feel your a lone voice in the wilderness sometimes. would be good to get a regular update on whats happening elsewhere.

    and maybe more direct action is required. any ideas?.

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  29. Probably the biggest case of discrimination against women in recent years, comparable with the struggle foe female suffrage. David you are a fine journalist. Thank you.

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  30. This does not help my situation, reading all this, I have worked since I was 16yrs old and expected to retire at 60 but to be told I have to wait another 6yrs to do this and get MY PENSION. I am furious and so are all of the women in my situation. We were not warned about this, and apparently I have heard from my local MP that us women were informed in a small article somewhere in The Financial Times, well I can tell you, me or my fellow 50’s women don’t read that paper!!! Surprise Surprise , maybe that’s why the government decided to put it in their !! Well I am now 64 and am wishing my life away and can’t wait until I am 66, I work and try and juggle babysitting, I am not as nimble and don’t have the energy I used to have, but heyho if I had plenty of notice about this I would have invested in a private pension!! And not be in this situation. We need compensation, and the Government need to find it one way or another, the person who dealt this blow to us women has took early retirement with a MASSIVE 💰 PAYOUT.

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  31. Yes, the real problem (apart from Government mismanagement of the pension pot!) is that (as Rosalyn Morgan pointed out) the birth rate has fallen and (although I don’t have statistics to back this up, I’m sure someone, somewhere, does) there are probably more people coming up to retirement age now than there are workers to pay their pensions. Because when we contribute, we are not saving up for OUR pensions (it isn’t a savings scheme), we are paying the pensions of those already in retirement. And this is why we are where we are, and why so many people (not just women, of course) are having to wait longer for their State Pension. I will be 60 this autumn and will not get my SP until I am 66. My husband is 2 years younger than me and won’t get his for a number of years either. Our son will (as things currently stand) won’t get his until he is 68 – almost 70. No matter how I try to rationalize it, it doesn’t seem fair on anyone.

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  32. Absolutely disgusting we have worked hard to be shafted by our government and we are one of the worst countries that do not look after our people at retirement it’s shocking and beyond belief

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  34. I’m struggling to earn enough money to survive having been laid off at 59. I’m 63 now. Can’t the government compromise and offer us perhaps 50% of what we’ve lost. It would show that this government is not as heartless and MP’s are not as self obsessed as we all believe they are – but care for the communities they say they represent!

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    • Sorry, but you are living in cloud cuckoo land if you think the government will ever do anything except bite the hand that feeds them. Without exception they are a bunch of money grubbing parasites and should be taken out and shot. I would like to see them exist without their expenses or their fat salaries and physically work 12 hours a day to take home the miserable 150£ a week of my pension. It is not even the Minimum wage equivalent (40 hours @ 7.83£/hr = 313.20£) so why is it right for us to live on half the minimum wage, while billions are being paid to countries who have nuclear programmes, standing armies and often fund terrorism???

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  35. Find it absolutely disgusting I was born 1954 got all my stamps still have to go to work in pain and I thought after life full of problems I would at least enjoy these years but for greedy politicians taking it away goes a bit like this I’m all right jack

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  36. This was picked up by BackTo60 and put on FB this morning. I made a long comment on there which is totally echoed in all the messages here. Any ladies not already following them it’s well worth doing: BackTo60. We are in this together and ALL feeling thoroughly disillusioned and cheated by it all.

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    • So it’s about time that HS2 was scrapped before another £1 is spent – purely to satisfy those who can afford a damned expensive rail ticket from London to Birmingham and Manchester and get there 25 minutes quicker. Save the PROBABLE £200 BILLION it will cost by the year 2030 – then STOP sending £13 BILLION a year in Foreign Aid to countries who just waste it – AND SORT OUT THE WHOLE PENSION PROBLEM, HEALTH SERVICE, POLICE AND EDUCATION ISSUES TOO.

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  37. Absolutely shameful the way 50s women are being treated, lets face it by the time you reach your sixties all manor of illnesses start kicking in, and women are expected to still work unbelievable.

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  38. Can this report be sent to the papers it needs to be seen by everyone ! This goverment is vile they are just blameing everything on the elderly , the generation before us saved our country, our generation help rebuild, look after those who saved us in thier later life, paid towards a NHS to look after us in later life and of course our pensions , struggled to buy our own houses but hay lets give it in grants and hand outs to the next generations a generation of takers not givers

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  39. £45000 is what I have lost without all the other women of my age or similar.
    This government has cynically plotted to fill the coffers at our expense….
    Disgusting!!!

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  40. Thanks very much David. Great read. I’m so angry, I’m 62 this year, got over 4 extra years to go. Thieving gits. They’ll get huge pensions, not that they’ll need one. They’ve all go millions! We are the minions, the couldn’t care one not about us.

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    • I hope all the women that are impacted by this do what I will be doing, and that’s voting for anyone but the tories, either at a local or national level.

      Never again will I vote for them, and that includes all my family and children as well. And make it plain to your local Tory MP, councillor that you will be doing this and why.

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  42. It is an absolute disgrace that 50’s women are suffering under this legislation but that there is always money available to send abroad, when are our own going to be looked after? We send to China and India, we contribute to disaster funds but our own women are being trodden on! We also support out of this fund all the people who come to this country and claim unemployment benefit. What we should be doing is controlling child benefit and limiting it to two chikdren. Why should the taxpayer keep paying out to people who keep reproducing, if they can’t afford them they shouldn’t have them!

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    • I think it is quite unnecessary, and does this cause no favours, to try to shift the blame for the women’s pension injustice onto UKIP territory, implying the issue has anything to do with ‘people who come to this country’, ‘people who keep reproducing’, and funds spent on compassionate care for those in other countries who are at risk. In fact, it appalls me to see such dog whistle politics dragged into this issue. Let’s focus on the real culprits: successive governments who have acted to rob women of the money they had already contributed to their future pensions.

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  43. Once again we are being robbed of our rights and dues because of the rotten core in this and previous governments. Its alright for the politicians to have a huge increase in their pensions but sod all for the actual grafters. We have one of the lowest state pensions and it will get lower, lets stop the rot now.

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  44. I am all for helping all who have had to claim benifits through no fault of their own but it is all the ones that milk the system for years and years that my NI contributions have paid for and I am now told ….sorry love you need to keep paying for another 6yrs because we have run out of your money for your pension and we need 6more years to keep paying the benefits of all those milking the system before you yourself can retire …..that to me is the government stealing what is rightly my money … I Honoured my part of the deal by working 45yrs and paying into the system all that time the government has broken theirs by not giving me my pension at 60……

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    • Thanks Sheena I can see why you are so frustrated and angry about this. Just one point the National Insurance Fund is itself is hardly robbed by people fiddling the system. The main benefits paid out other than pensions are maternity allowances ( bit difficult to fiddle that ) and the Job seekers allowance ( where there are pretty strict measures to make sure people do look for work or they lose). It is the other benefits that are paid out of general taxation where they are more fiddles.

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  45. Brilliant research David, everyone needs to hear the truth. All I can say for a Christian country like this, the Govt has stabbed all 50’s women in the back. But just in case they have forgotten, there is something called KARMA, and as Jesus put it, “Do unto others that you would be done by”. Why do you think He said that, to remind us all that at the end of the day this Govt will be stabbed as well and pay it all back. So bring on the legal battle for both men and women and let’s have the Pension Fund REFORMED and RINGFENCED. So those of you reading this, pray together that ‘If two or more ask of anything as touching (binding) on the earth plane, it will be done by my (our) Father in heaven.’ We are all in agreement that the pension age is back to 60 for all (don’t forget if women’s pension age went up, so men’s pension age can go down also), and for the present the 50’s women are paid back their dues. AMEN

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  46. I can see this as an argument against raising SPA, in general, but I still think that women should get their SP at the same age as men. So, I think it was right to increase women’s SPA, regardless of whether there’s a treasury grant/supplement, or not.

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  47. Brilliant piece David All 1950s women need tp read this. We have really been sold down the line by this vile government. George Osborne saw this as a qick way to make money ! At Backto60.com we have our legal case lead by #MichaelMansfieldQC. We have great faith in him. An outstanding barrister. When we win this government will have to find a shed load of money to pay our earned dues.

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  49. I am so tiered at the moment having to carrying on working at 64 I am doing nights 25 hours a week I have struggled all my life bringing up children on my own after a divorce I have paid in for 49 years, now I am struggling due to ill health and a disability and I still have to keep going, I have never had fancy holiday , luxury items, just essential things , and I don’t have a penny to my name even struggling to pay rent and bedroom tax where is the justice in this ?

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  50. The main fact is that women of a certain age were told many many years ago at the start of their working lives that they would be able to retire at 60 . Now we have to wait another 5/6 years and we have been robbed of up th 6 years of pension just because of the year we were born! Is this fair? I don’t think so !

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  51. The government (past and present) should hang their collective heads in shame. George Osbourne is a slimy little toad gloating over what is robbery from decent working people. It is embezzlement pure and simple.

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  52. We all have a duty to highlight this to the younger generations. If we don’t educate the younger generation this government and all others with create the wall they’ve wanted to build for years. The wall of divide and conquer. This wall will effectively cut you off from anyone younger because you are older and have become surplus to requirements. Fight on my friends the valient 1950s women will survive, win and destroy that wall.

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  53. Its a complete travesty. The pension age change should have been introduced (in 1995) for all school /college
    leavers /new employees joining the work force so those individuals then would have known exactly when to expect to receive and save towards their pensions. The 1950s women option was a Sexist Mysoginist hit by a majority of middle aged white men who knew little of working class women’s situations. I will be 60 October 2018 SPA now 2024. Found out via WASPI aged 57.5. My complaint is with ombudsman.

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  54. It was unfair for men who do not live so long to have 65 as retirement age. It could have been raised to in between say 63.. People in government receive large pensions and they should be decreased. Hovever women did expect to retire at 60.

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  55. I have shared with my waspi glasgow and lanarkshire group facebook and public facebook. Lots of interest and anger at the shabby way we have been treated. Now we are joining forces with different groups the govt will be quaking. That is once they have stopped infighting over brexit 🤣🤣

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  56. Thank you David for all this research you are doing. Millions of 1950’s women can’t thank you enough.

    I feel also for those behind us who just may find there will not be a State Pension in the coming years.

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  57. This is a disgrace and in my mind an act of fraud on behalf of the Government/Treasury.
    The only fake news comes from the politicians, when they are trying to hide the way they treat the electorate.

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  58. Absolutely ridiculous . I was brought up to go out& work for a living. Obviously this didn’t do me any good . I worked from 16 years old till I was 61& couldn’t do my job any longer. I didn’t receive my state pension till I was 63 years old but the government can still send enormous amounts of money abroad to help people in other countries. It’s about time they looked after us as we’ve paid our contributions.

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  59. Paternity benefit -my arse.! We didnt get this when we were having kids your husband/partner just took time off work if at all.
    I love the phrase you are not necessarily reducing the entitlement…just increasing the age that entitlement kicks in !! Who is Osborne kidding?.As always the politicians take us for fools and treat us with contempt!!And I’always voted Tory!
    Robbed of my retirement time still working til 66. Plus they are now saying life expectancy isn’t as long as theyd anticipated.Probably because we’re more stressed out than previous generations.

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  60. There was absolutely no justification for the increase to state pensions !!
    If successive governments had mananaged their funds accordingly we would be in receipt of our state pension at 60 !!
    FRAUD is the word for this mess !!!

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  61. Get rid of paternity leave that would save alot! Not as if men can breast feed is it realy. And how about means testing winter fuel allowance etc and bus passes too. My mother was a widow at 55 and had to scrub floors to survive, She asked for help from social security and was visited by them to be told to sell her tv first.1967

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    • I think my main point on this issue is that the Treasury could have made available funds over more than two decades to cover all of this and pay the 50s women. Some of your ideas are not easy to implement – such as means testing winter fuel allowances as it will create new anomalies because we have an individual taxation and the payment is paid per household. I wrote about this in a previous blog when Labour were looking into it and the Tories put it in their manifesto. https://davidhencke.com/2017/05/19/why-the-tory-plan-to-axe-pensioners-fuel-benefits-is-as-flawed-as-labours-ed-balls-up/

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      • Surely if we are forced to work beyond 60 (I am one of those, born 1955 and now having to work until 65), we should be exempt from paying personal taxes or receive a considerable discount. Someone above also suggested part-payment of the owed pension funds which is better than nothing. The longer this problem is allowed to go unaddressed, the greater the debt and the less-likey we women are to ever see 1p.

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  62. I’m angry because I am now unable to work through illness paid in since 15 am now 61 should have retired last November had someone at the jobcentre tell me there’s nothing wrong with me and I’m fit for work he was only in his thirties.if I could have retired when I should I wouldn’t be going through this.I’ve been without support since June. But I’m lucky I have a husband that supports me.God help those on Thier own.all of it is disgraceful.

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  63. If all us women over 60 retired then there would be plenty of jobs for the young, what the government would save in unemployment benefits for these people would go towards paying back this fraudulent obtained money.

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  64. What I would like to know is what happened to all the contributions paid in by people like my father and also my father-in-law neither of whom lived to reach pensionable age having paid in all their working lives. There must be millions more who did this yet no mention has been made about where their contributions have been spent. I am one of the women born in the 1950s who has to wait until I am 66 to receive my pension. How can the government move the goalposts by 6 years for women like me?

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  65. Robbed all 50s women I’m in I’ll heal and have to work born in 1954 Got all my stamps husband died when I was 34 I was to young to get widow pension had to work after putt him on dyalsis for ten years It’s been hard never having nothing was looking forward to retirement

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  66. When the state pension started very few women worked so got a pension based on their husbands contributions. We lead the way in the 70s as the first generation of women to juggle home family and full time jobs. The fund swelled because of 1950s women and we want what we paid for.

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  67. Very depressing reading. In my opinion the state pension scheme should be considered an insurance scheme rather than a savings scheme. Everybody pays into it throughout working life. Only those in the 20% tax bracket or below should receive the state pension. No idea of the math behind this idea but I firmly believe that people in the 40% tax band and above should not receive ANY state benefits.

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  68. When I worked companies were not legally obliged to provide pensions, even though I requested to pay into a private pension on various occasions. I always presumed that I would retire at 60. I earned my National insurance stamps. I had thirty years of stamps then the Gov put the pension age up and the amount of stamps to 35 years. The boundaries changed and I was not prepared for the changes. A deal was broken and I feel robbed.

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  69. So sad that these people cannot see the harm they are doing. Robing the needy, seems to be the name of the game in this day n age. Anything goes and they are above the law.
    . 50’s women need help now.

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  70. They should pay us what they owe us I think it’s a total disgrace .. I am struggling to work until I am 66 as I can’t afford to stop working but my body needs to retire .. I think we were shafted good and proper

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  71. So because there is a short fall in the pension pot 50s will be targeted for this don’t think it’s fair I have to work another 6 years when I have been working since I was 15 and have paid full stamp for fourthy years , it’s theft and I think this should be referred to court.

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  72. I’m one of the most effective ones I have had to wait not only 5 years but now they tell me I’m not getting my pension on my 65th birthday but another 5 months everyone I know gets there’s on there birthday they have robbed me of £42.ooothis government have stole from all of us and should be made accountable and pay every damm penny back they are robbers

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  73. I’ve lost enthusiasm and the will to fight this. Working until I’m 66, ….. who really cares and is in a position to change the situation 3.9m women mean nothing now they are busy screwing up Brexit. Oh course it’s massively unfair and immoral but it won’t change.

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  74. I am one of the 50s women. Am 63 in October and work in education. I have contributed to a pension from the age of 15. I took voluntary redundancy from my job as a PT lecturer in 2011. Fortunately I had 17 years of actuarily reduced teacher’s pension which I accessed at age 56. I am married and my husband has a good job. If I were single I could not afford to live on the teacher’s pension alone. I feel that the gvt has swindled a certain demographic out of at least 5 year’s worth of pension. As it is, I am reliant on my husband. I cannot be independent in my own right. The gvt has cavalierly robbed us. I believe I have lost 6 years pension which is approx £40k. I want it to be acknowledged

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  75. What would they have said if I had stopped paying in any contributions. This is Daylight robbery and the government have got away with it.

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  76. Whilst I don’t have a problem working till I’m 65 despite I’ll health they where never going to bring men down to 60 what absolutely ticks me off (being polite) is the fact I now have to work another 15 months before I can get my pension. When I left school I was told work all your life and retire at 60 exactly what I’ve done . The goal posts keep changing. If they stopped paying child benefit for children not even in this country then perhaps we can have our pension

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  77. I’m 64 was never told I cldnt retire at 60 no letter telling me anything about having to work till I’m 65and a half next July I’ve been off work long term sick with back and hip pain since Jan with no prospect of going back olso waiting for an op on my leg any time soon I’m sure there r thousands of woman the same or worse than me who wld loved to have retired at 60 but were denied this and r having to work longer with health problems like a lot of women I have worked for 50 yrs next yr and have paid NI all my working life so thanx to waspi and everyone else who r fighting for all us 50’s woman

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  78. I will be 60 in March. I now have to finish work due to ill health but don’t qualify for pip according to the adviser. I have lung problems and uncontrolled Asthma. Breathing can be difficult. I cannot claim my Pention till I’m 66. My NHS Pention is will be £50 a week. I will be getting £60 sick pay for a short time till they knock me off and go on to job seekers which they will. How will I live. By having to leave my job I will loose £1,100 a month. This government has robbed me my pension. I’m so worried what my future will hold.

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  79. I’m going to say this again and again it’s not just women who lose out but men as well if you want equality and paratie then either make it a fight for both sexes or shut up take it on the chin and move on or if you really believe in equal rights why not fight for men who had to carry on working when women retired at sixty get them the six years back after all by your own wording we are all equal

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  80. 50’s women are the same group that suffered huge discrimination in the workplace , regularly overlooked for promotion in favour of male colleagues . Often had to give up work due to a lack of affordable child care or no maternity leave . Those that could access maternity leave often received only 6 weeks paid leave at best and their job position was not secure . I know of that worked for a bank were transferred to other branches whether it suited them or not . This happened even if they were returning to exactly the same role .
    We did not have the opportunities to earn the same as men and accrue sufficient pension private funds . We worked , cooked , cleaned , looked after sick kids , parents , in laws . As we approached retirement age of 60 the goalpost was moved without us being given sufficient time or notice to adapt financially to this new discrimination . So many 50’s are struggling both financially and physically having battled all their working lives . Now worn out or unable to continue working . The discrimination we have always faced continues by those that are meant to represent us .

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  81. I’m one that has been hit with the change in age to receive state pension.
    I work in a very demanding job dealing with companys accounts ..
    I deal with thousands of pounds for their purchase of materials wages etc.
    As i get older i find it harder to concentrate so make mistakes which cost my employer pounds.
    Some jobs like mine need young minds.
    I can not afford to finish without my pension.
    Help.

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  82. It’s our money and we want it now. We received no notification about this and did not plan for this deficit as such we are at a loss incurring real financial issues. We do not want to receive reduced payments now. We want our full state pension we have contribute to now!!!!

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  83. Why are MPs salaries so high along with all the freebies they receive travel expenses I go to work but no one pays me travel expenses WHY and why is my local bar not subsidies. They stole our pensions and they must repay the debt.

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  84. I recently have been diagnosed with incurable cancer. It can be managed but life expectancy is around 5 years. I am 60 and have had to continue work at much reduced hours whereas if changes hadn’t been made i should be receiving my rightful pension. As things stand I might not even life long enough to get any pension. Not only have I been robbed but the government will likely get away without paying me anything!

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  85. It’s a total rip off. It’s nothing to do with equality – if it was, the government would be compensating women for when they started work doing the same job as a man but got paid less. We were just an easy target to obtains funds to cover their ineptitude.

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