The dodgy background behind child abuse at Kincora and Richmond

This post is worth reading for those following the Kincora and Richmond child sexual abuse scandals after the release of Cabinet papers showing that the Thatcher Cabinet discussed and rejected a full scale inquiry into Kincora in 1983. This post is from Chris Fay, who has tirelessly campaigned for justice for kids abused at Elm Guest House. I am not certain about the claim of a Cabinet committee meeting on August 24 1982 to discuss Elm Guest House raid. But the post shows up what a murky world existed at both Kincora and Richmond and also suggests a link between them which I am becomingly increasingly interested in exploring. Chris Fay should be taken seriously because of his involvement in the case at the time of the first raid.


Those who have followed events at the Elm Guest House in Barnes, until it was closed down in a “police” raid in 1982, will know there has always been some dispute over the nature of the raid that took place. Carol Kazir (and her legal team) always insisted that this raid was carried out under the Prevention of Terrorism Act 1976. The police and government have always insisted it was under vice law legislation. All I can say is, Carol gave me the “notice to detained persons” issued under the Act, to stop her talking to a lawyer. This I gave to the coroner at Carol Kazir’s inquest in the summer of 1990.

Why has this always been so important and what did it matter which law was used to conduct the raid? Well, without benefit of counsel, Special Branch were the first to question her. They were not interested…

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6 thoughts on “The dodgy background behind child abuse at Kincora and Richmond

  1. Pingback: Alternative News Network – Kincora, a small footnote to history.

  2. Sorry David but the meeting did take place but not on the 24th. Please have a look at my update on the Wikipedia site for the Elm under the Fernbridge Scope section. With Chris’s help we have been very busy this week in tracking down an abuser at the centre of power.. That was given to a national newspaper today. Very shortly we will hopefully go public with a national newspaper. The documents we have obtained will show that the Elm coverup happend andis still going on today.


  3. Reblogged from the Needleblog:

    Re kincora at the time in Belfast the rumor was that a royal sailor was involved. Hence the coverup These are sick bastards lets hope they don’t get away with it again

    August 13, 2013 at 4:09 pm
    Royal Sailor etc, who was not there, perhaps the paper file @ Thames House and South African Intelligence Service records should be obtained under an FoI…some hope. Perhaps I need to ask a source, one of the few to have read it, to go public. That would be the Bottoml ine


  4. The cabinet rejected a full Tribunal of Inquiry not a fullscale inquiry – any enquiry would be limited to its terms of reference. There was a judge led inquiry. And in NI at the time rumours were used as propaganda weapons by both sides – A Tribunal of Inquiry would have been politically unacceptable at the time for obvious reasons. And anyway Waterhouse was a ToI and that’s also supposed to have been a cover-up.

    Maybe they never got to the bottom of things because there was nothing much to get to the bottom of? Other than the offences to do with the hostels (not children)?

    McGrath for all his extremist views always denied the allegations, he was forced to plead guilty on ‘medical evidence ‘ – his own – this was the infamous discredited RAD technique which was behind the Cleveland diagnoses. At the time of Kincora it was said to be a ‘sign’ of homosexual penetration. Thus if he was evidence of his being gay when claiming not – this was evidence against him! Then the child abuse people adopted this ‘sign’ – known as the ‘anal wink’ in the US as indicating anal rape in infants. It has since been discredited. McGrath maintained his innocence up to his death in 1992.

    But of course the From Kincora to …..(name your destination).horrologue has been a conspiricist topic for decades – funny how vision improves with hindsight.


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